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You can't cut off their hands
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Bock
2006-06-18 17:58:16 UTC
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The latest province headline is of an individual who is a super chronic
drug addicted offender whom suffers from mental illness and has 190
conviction with no end in sight.

With typical charges like auto theft, shoplifting and possession of
stolen property, break and enter, breach of probation and assault, one
wonders just how efficient these criminals can be on a daily basis.

Most people know that the police find themselves arresting the same
people over and over again in the same way that there is usually one
family member that is more problematic to deal with than others or one
employee who is always late.

So having arrived at the conclusions that these accused persons are
extremely costly to society, the judicial system, and perhaps even the
medical system, what is to be done with them?

I think the bible and certain cultures in history have cut off the hands
of people who stole. While that now appears to be 100 percent effective
and cost efficient, it is for a civilized society considered inhumane.
While the unique COP program's goal is to stop chronic offenders from
committing crimes long enough to reduce societal harm, one wonders how
that can be accomplished when the accused has two or three additional
burdens of being an addict, mentally ill and naturally violent.

If we assume these particular types of accused are unemployable, then
they require some form of permanent income so they don't have to steal
to support themselves or does the Canadian criminal code permit society
to
put people in prison and to throw away the key until they die of natural
causes in prison?

It is a given that detox facilities, substance-abuse programs and
mentall-health services are scarce for the prison population and upon
their release into society because they are just as scarce for the
general public and probably way beyond the the most generous budgets of
any criminal rehabilitation programs in Canada.

When it is suggested that the offender who refuses help can become the
focus of surveillance, one dreams of the 1970s in communist countries
where plain clothed men stood on street corners watching its citizens.

Now Canadians know why police are longer anywhere to be found on your
average city streets because they are chasing the local Teleban
connections and doing surveillance of chronic drug addicted, mentally
ill criminals who refuse to cooperate or refuse help.

Just yesterday I read that a spokesperson for the Vancouver police were
making cyclists who ride without a helmet a priority or ticketing.
Perhaps the funds raised from such ticketing could go to help these
chronic drug addicted, mentally ill criminals or alternatively help
build larger cheaply run prisons to house those millions of bad
Canadians.
DiscoDuck
2006-06-18 19:00:57 UTC
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a helmet would help.
Post by Bock
The latest province headline is of an individual who is a super chronic
drug addicted offender whom suffers from mental illness and has 190
conviction with no end in sight.
With typical charges like auto theft, shoplifting and possession of
stolen property, break and enter, breach of probation and assault, one
wonders just how efficient these criminals can be on a daily basis.
Most people know that the police find themselves arresting the same
people over and over again in the same way that there is usually one
family member that is more problematic to deal with than others or one
employee who is always late.
So having arrived at the conclusions that these accused persons are
extremely costly to society, the judicial system, and perhaps even the
medical system, what is to be done with them?
I think the bible and certain cultures in history have cut off the hands
of people who stole. While that now appears to be 100 percent effective
and cost efficient, it is for a civilized society considered inhumane.
While the unique COP program's goal is to stop chronic offenders from
committing crimes long enough to reduce societal harm, one wonders how
that can be accomplished when the accused has two or three additional
burdens of being an addict, mentally ill and naturally violent.
If we assume these particular types of accused are unemployable, then
they require some form of permanent income so they don't have to steal
to support themselves or does the Canadian criminal code permit society
to
put people in prison and to throw away the key until they die of natural
causes in prison?
It is a given that detox facilities, substance-abuse programs and
mentall-health services are scarce for the prison population and upon
their release into society because they are just as scarce for the
general public and probably way beyond the the most generous budgets of
any criminal rehabilitation programs in Canada.
When it is suggested that the offender who refuses help can become the
focus of surveillance, one dreams of the 1970s in communist countries
where plain clothed men stood on street corners watching its citizens.
Now Canadians know why police are longer anywhere to be found on your
average city streets because they are chasing the local Teleban
connections and doing surveillance of chronic drug addicted, mentally
ill criminals who refuse to cooperate or refuse help.
Just yesterday I read that a spokesperson for the Vancouver police were
making cyclists who ride without a helmet a priority or ticketing.
Perhaps the funds raised from such ticketing could go to help these
chronic drug addicted, mentally ill criminals or alternatively help
build larger cheaply run prisons to house those millions of bad
Canadians.
Greg Carr
2006-06-23 01:46:58 UTC
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I read the same article and was surprised when it didn't list 190
convictions. There were only 20 or so listed. The media sometime back
was going on about some meth head stealing hundreds of vehicles but it
turned out he only had approx. 7 convictions.

Lots of VPD in the Downtown core and the word on the street is lots of
undercovers as well.
Post by DiscoDuck
a helmet would help.
Post by Bock
The latest province headline is of an individual who is a super chronic
drug addicted offender whom suffers from mental illness and has 190
conviction with no end in sight.
With typical charges like auto theft, shoplifting and possession of
stolen property, break and enter, breach of probation and assault, one
wonders just how efficient these criminals can be on a daily basis.
Most people know that the police find themselves arresting the same
people over and over again in the same way that there is usually one
family member that is more problematic to deal with than others or one
employee who is always late.
So having arrived at the conclusions that these accused persons are
extremely costly to society, the judicial system, and perhaps even the
medical system, what is to be done with them?
I think the bible and certain cultures in history have cut off the hands
of people who stole. While that now appears to be 100 percent effective
and cost efficient, it is for a civilized society considered inhumane.
While the unique COP program's goal is to stop chronic offenders from
committing crimes long enough to reduce societal harm, one wonders how
that can be accomplished when the accused has two or three additional
burdens of being an addict, mentally ill and naturally violent.
If we assume these particular types of accused are unemployable, then
they require some form of permanent income so they don't have to steal
to support themselves or does the Canadian criminal code permit society
to
put people in prison and to throw away the key until they die of natural
causes in prison?
It is a given that detox facilities, substance-abuse programs and
mentall-health services are scarce for the prison population and upon
their release into society because they are just as scarce for the
general public and probably way beyond the the most generous budgets of
any criminal rehabilitation programs in Canada.
When it is suggested that the offender who refuses help can become the
focus of surveillance, one dreams of the 1970s in communist countries
where plain clothed men stood on street corners watching its citizens.
Now Canadians know why police are longer anywhere to be found on your
average city streets because they are chasing the local Teleban
connections and doing surveillance of chronic drug addicted, mentally
ill criminals who refuse to cooperate or refuse help.
Just yesterday I read that a spokesperson for the Vancouver police were
making cyclists who ride without a helmet a priority or ticketing.
Perhaps the funds raised from such ticketing could go to help these
chronic drug addicted, mentally ill criminals or alternatively help
build larger cheaply run prisons to house those millions of bad
Canadians.
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