accident-direct from ICBC, PETER!!

Seems B.C. has not caught up to Ontario.

In Ontario, all the police I have talked to (in social meetings),
and the police chief of Ottawa, call them collisions.

As I said before the degree of intent, or if you prefer the
responsibility factor increases as you become more negligent.

Accidents whether defined correctly in today's dictionary or
not, do not indicate the amount of negligence involved.

That is why the term accident is not used by the more enlightened
professionals and advocates.

All accidents are collisions. All collisions are not accidents.

As indicated and tried to show you the only true accidents
the current day professionals call accidents are unavoidable
accidents directly attributable to "acts of god", like a tree
falling on your vehicle.

As you indicated this is not a legal discussion group, but
even that is not so. As this is a matter that affects cyclist
it is fair game.

However, personal attacks are not. All personal attacks will
be ignored and deleted.

As for my occupation I am not a civil servant and my occupation
is NOYB. I have however been an advocate of cycling for 20+ years,
and I have been teaching CAN-BIKE for 10+ years.

I know you do not believe in what CAN-BIKE teaches (e.g. stopping on
the left side of a right turn lane), but it the drive only recognized
driver education course for cyclist in Canada.

Nuff said!

Post by DiscoDuck
I emailed them, and this is the anwer I got when I asked them about
"Usually, an omission to adhere to the terms and conditions of the BC
Motor Vehicle Act don't amount to intentionally being the cause of a
crash. A driver may purposefully decide to exceed the speed limit but
the fact he/she then crashes their car into another does not make the
crash 'intentional'. It may however make that driver NEGLIGENT and
responsible (in civil law) for the consequences of their actions.
There's a separation of the intent to do something ("I'm going to
change lanes now and [subconsciously] not bother to look) and the
subsequent occurrence of an impact with another vehicle. The two things
are not one event, but the first may make you liable for the second."

DiscoDuck

2006-01-09 21:03:00 UTC

Post by Peter McNichol
Seems B.C. has not caught up to Ontario.

So now you are saying, in ONtario if you forget to look and have a
"collision" that is deemed to be purposely done and not an accident?
You're wrong, plain and simple.

Post by Peter McNichol
In Ontario, all the police I have talked to (in social meetings),
and the police chief of Ottawa, call them collisions.

Yes, but again almost ALL collisions are not done in purpose as you
have been claiming.

Post by Peter McNichol
As I said before the degree of intent, or if you prefer the
responsibility factor increases as you become more negligent.

Right, but that is NOT what you have been saying the whole time. You
said
"If you speed and loose control you purposely did so.
If you fail to look you purposely caused the collision. "
from
http://groups.google.com/group/bc.cycling/browse_thread/thread/f9a83ca9a0d4b167/ec6aac49b4311a45?q=purposely&rnum=1#ec6aac49b4311a45

Starting to backtrack now, are you peter

Post by Peter McNichol
Accidents whether defined correctly in today's dictionary or
not, do not indicate the amount of negligence involved.

This is getting funnier and funner, NOW you are saying the dictionary's
are wrong.

Post by Peter McNichol
That is why the term accident is not used by the more enlightened
professionals and advocates.

Yup, funnier and funnier. Because you do not understand the term
accident, you are enlightened?

Post by Peter McNichol
All accidents are collisions. All collisions are not accidents.

Accidents involve a lack of intent, by definition

Post by Peter McNichol
As indicated and tried to show you the only true accidents
the current day professionals call accidents are unavoidable
accidents directly attributable to "acts of god", like a tree
falling on your vehicle.

Nonsense. I dropped a glass in my kitchen. You are saying that is not
an accident. Can you hear yourself?

Post by Peter McNichol
As you indicated this is not a legal discussion group, but
even that is not so. As this is a matter that affects cyclist
it is fair game.

Then why were you hung up on being "legally" clear? YOU brought that
up, here
http://groups.google.com/group/bc.cycling/msg/03e657c7e5012203

repeatidly I might add.

Post by Peter McNichol
However, personal attacks are not. All personal attacks will
be ignored and deleted.

Now that you are being proven wrong, you consider that a personal
attack. You are a joke.

DiscoDuck

2006-01-09 21:40:09 UTC

Man, I hope others are bothering to read this thread. What you wrote
up there is complete and nonsense, and I hazard to say I think you are
resorting to even lying. Please give a name of such a professional?
Certainly such a definition would be abundantly available online from
such professional and their organization? Why don't you send a link or
two?

So Hurricane Katrina was an accident? The southeast Asian tsunami, was
an accident?

Peter McNichol

2006-01-11 16:03:42 UTC

DD, Your comments have been deleted.

DiscoDuck

2006-01-12 01:16:48 UTC

Of course, you have been proven wrong and can't admit it.

Peter McNichol

2006-01-16 13:13:43 UTC

Post by DiscoDuck
Of course, you have been proven wrong and can't admit it.

This is a discussion board.

If you have nothing to say on topic DO NOT SAY IT.

If you have failed to be enlightened that does not make me wrong!

Keep your points on discussion!

Your comments only make you look bad.

DiscoDuck

2006-01-17 08:32:15 UTC

Post by DiscoDuck
Of course, you have been proven wrong and can't admit it.

This is a discussion board.
If you have nothing to say on topic DO NOT SAY IT.

You mean like when you said "Just to clarify the car would not see
anything. The driver would." or "First of all Cambie Street is not
doing the mandating. The city may be. "

Post by Peter McNichol
If you have failed to be enlightened that does not make me wrong!

enlightened to change the definition of accident from "An unexpected
and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car
accidents on icy roads."
that was from http://dictionary.reference.com/

Tell us, Oh enlightened one, what was your definition again? I don't
think you've provided one.

Post by Peter McNichol
Keep your points on discussion!

They have been, and continue to be.

Post by Peter McNichol
Your comments only make you look bad.

No, comments such as "accidents are no accidents", are what make you
look bad (not to mention, stupid)

So do tell us, what is the definition of accidents?

Peter McNichol

2006-01-17 14:15:17 UTC

Post by DiscoDuck
Of course, you have been proven wrong and can't admit it.

This is a discussion board.
If you have nothing to say on topic DO NOT SAY IT.

You mean like when you said "Just to clarify the car would not see
anything. The driver would." or "First of all Cambie Street is not
doing the mandating. The city may be. "

Fault must be found. The car was not at fault. The street was not at fault.

On topic for a cycling group.

Post by Peter McNichol
If you have failed to be enlightened that does not make me wrong!

"An unexpected
and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car
accidents on icy roads."
that was from http://dictionary.reference.com/

How UNEXPECTED can a crash be if you are driving without due care?

DiscoDuck

2006-01-17 18:47:38 UTC

Post by DiscoDuck
Of course, you have been proven wrong and can't admit it.

This is a discussion board.
If you have nothing to say on topic DO NOT SAY IT.

You mean like when you said "Just to clarify the car would not see
anything. The driver would." or "First of all Cambie Street is not
doing the mandating. The city may be. "

Fault must be found. The car was not at fault. The street was not at fault.

Now someone must be found at fault for providing a detour? Oh My, you
are an ego maniac, aren't you.

Post by Peter McNichol
On topic for a cycling group.

Post by Peter McNichol
If you have failed to be enlightened that does not make me wrong!

"An unexpected
and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car
accidents on icy roads."
that was from http://dictionary.reference.com/

How UNEXPECTED can a crash be if you are driving without due care?

No matter HOW much care you use, you can still be involved in an
accident. Whether negligent or NOT, it is still called an accident.
Something you refuse to admit.

OH mY GOD!!! This is SUCH A COINCIDENCE!!!! I just heard an accident
outside. UNREAL!!!

i'm going to go outside and ask people what happenned.

DiscoDuck

2006-01-17 19:11:15 UTC

Post by Peter McNichol
How UNEXPECTED can a crash be if you are driving without due care?

No matter HOW much care you use, you can still be involved in an
accident. Whether negligent or NOT, it is still called an accident.
Something you refuse to admit.
OH mY GOD!!! This is SUCH A COINCIDENCE!!!! I just heard an accident
outside. UNREAL!!!
i'm going to go outside and ask people what happenned.

Well I asked witness's what happened. The first thing they ALL said,
was- "an accident"
I am not fooling you, I asked about 6 people.
So, I decided to ask a professional (the officer). Seemed clear he did
not want to be bothered, but said under his voice "An accident." SO
tried your approach, and asked was someone at fault. Know what he said
"Still an accident."

Yup, Peter, you are wrong wrong wrong.

Peter McNichol

2006-01-20 14:14:03 UTC

Post by DiscoDuck
Of course, you have been proven wrong and can't admit it.

This is a discussion board.
If you have nothing to say on topic DO NOT SAY IT.

You mean like when you said "Just to clarify the car would not see
anything. The driver would." or "First of all Cambie Street is not
doing the mandating. The city may be. "

Fault must be found. The car was not at fault. The street was not at fault.

Now someone must be found at fault for providing a detour?

Actually yes. Why did the city not provide for an option that allowed cyclist
to use the road.

Post by Peter McNichol
On topic for a cycling group.

Post by Peter McNichol
If you have failed to be enlightened that does not make me wrong!

"An unexpected
and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car
accidents on icy roads."
that was from http://dictionary.reference.com/

How UNEXPECTED can a crash be if you are driving without due care?

No matter HOW much care you use, you can still be involved in an
accident. Whether negligent or NOT, it is still called an accident.

Well then you must have been a stewardess in your other life.

You must have been a N**** black person too.

DiscoDuck

2006-01-20 19:54:03 UTC