www.helmets.org

[DiscoDuck]

So bizarre. Someone feels so STRONGLY that people should have a choice
removed that they made a website devoted to the cause.
Please send them an email begging them to get therapy.
http://www.helmets.org/index.htm

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck
So bizarre. Someone feels so STRONGLY that people should have a choice
removed that they made a website devoted to the cause.
Please send them an email begging them to get therapy.
http://www.helmets.org/index.htm

The only one on this group who needs therapy is DD, who has clearly gone
around the bend. I attribute all his troubles to having had to live in soggy
old Victoria. If he wants to break the law and ride helmetless that is his
business, but when he advocates that others break the law he has obviously
gone too far and deserves a nice long rest in the local jailhouse - or at
the least in the local mental asylum.

Anyone who is against helmets, most especially if it is the law that you
wear one when cycling, is not using his head. DD needs to die of shame and
mortification for being such a dunderhead. But not to worry, a motor
vehicle is going to take him out any day now or else he will just fall off
his bike and land on his helmetless head at which point he will finally be
using his head for something other than giving bum advice. He does not have
long to live. His early demise will serve as an example to the rest of us to
wear our helmets.

The only choice people have is to obey the law. Otherwise, you are a
lawbreaker and a criminal and no decent human being will have anything to do
with you. You will only be able to associate with other criminals -
preferably in prison where you can all prey on one another.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

[DiscoDuck]

LOL. Edward I knew you couldn't ignore me like you said you would.
LOL. You love me and better yet, KNOW I AM RIGHT.

As for dying from a head injury, you keep saying that and I have proven
you wrong over and over and over and over, again. And have done so in
Victoria, Vancouver, New York, LA and Amsterdam. Face it again Edward
boy, I am right and you are wrong. Now who is the great one? That is
correct, it is me.
Unless you hunt me down to hit me with a bat, that injury is NOT going
to happen. NEVER on bicycle. You know it so get some therapy, will
ya? You know the odds are literally BILLIONS to one. Not millions.
BILLIONS!! Considering I've been riding almost everyday for over 40
years, I have proven this and so have millions and millions of others.
(I can see you and other helmet law proponents seething right now as
you lost control over me and others who cherish freedom).
I will continue to break the helmet law and people like you can
continue to waste tax dollars by making such laws. But one thing is
for certain-I will ride helmetless and be safe and healthy unlike you
who is mentally ill.
Edward, you can threaten to ignore me (again) but I know, and you know,
and all the readers know, you won't. You find me riveting and more
importantly-right!!

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck
LOL. Edward I knew you couldn't ignore me like you said you would.
LOL. You love me and better yet, KNOW I AM RIGHT.

The main problem that DD has is that he thinks he owns this group. How else
to account for his lack of posting etiquette. He constantly top posts and
does not even include the preceding message at all. In other words, he is
just writing for himself. That means the rest of us do not have to take him
seriously. If and when he wants to be taken seriously, he will have to learn
to bottom post and include all of the post to which he is responding, if in
fact he is responding to anything at all other than his own ego.

Post by DiscoDuck
As for dying from a head injury, you keep saying that and I have proven
you wrong over and over and over and over, again. And have done so in
Victoria, Vancouver, New York, LA and Amsterdam. Face it again Edward
boy, I am right and you are wrong. Now who is the great one? That is
correct, it is me.

You do not understand statistics. Just because you have not personally been
killed does not mean squat. Back to Statistics 101 for you!

By the way, I am Greater than you any day of the week and twice as Great on
Sundays. In fact, I don't think I have ever met anyone as Great as I am.
Maybe I should sign myself off as Ed Dolan the Greatest in order to clear up
any mystery about the matter. I will have to give this some thought.

Post by DiscoDuck
Unless you hunt me down to hit me with a bat, that injury is NOT going
to happen. NEVER on bicycle. You know it so get some therapy, will
ya? You know the odds are literally BILLIONS to one. Not millions.
BILLIONS!! Considering I've been riding almost everyday for over 40
years, I have proven this and so have millions and millions of others.

You do not understand statistics. Just because you have not personally been
killed does not mean squat. Back to Statistics 101 for you!

Post by DiscoDuck
(I can see you and other helmet law proponents seething right now as
you lost control over me and others who cherish freedom).
I will continue to break the helmet law and people like you can
continue to waste tax dollars by making such laws. But one thing is
for certain-I will ride helmetless and be safe and healthy unlike you
who is mentally ill.

They are coming for you with a strait jacket. That is what they do with
those who rant and rave on topics that the rest of the world has long
considered settled.

Post by DiscoDuck
Edward, you can threaten to ignore me (again) but I know, and you know,
and all the readers know, you won't. You find me riveting and more
importantly-right!!

I would never dream of threatening you in any manner whatsoever. Some driver
is going to take you out sooner or later, or else you are just going to fall
off your bike and land on your stupid head. Voila! One less idiot in the
world.

My best advice to you is to get out of soggy old Victoria. All that mist and
rain is rotting your brain. Try Phoenix. That is in Arizona. The desert sun
will be good for you and will dry you out so that you will no longer rant
and rave on the subject of helmets.

Ed Dolan the Greatest - Minnesota

[DiscoDuck]

Wahooo!! Edward the Greatest fruitboy is back.
As for statistics, you are a buffoon if you feel a measurable part of
the population will be hurt from not wearing a helmet. You are wrong.
The fraction is infinitesimal. I have met literally Tens of thousands
of people, all of whom have rode bikes WITHOUT helmets and NONE (not a
single person) has ever been hurt. I've had one or two people
(including in this newsgroup) CLAIM a helmet saved their lives but I
soon proved them wrong just I have done to you over and over and over
and over again.
I know more poeple who have had a head injury from driving or even in
the home. But we have no helmet law. WHy? Because people like you
and proponants cannot admit you are wrong.

You are fool for supporting this law. It because of you we have such
issues at all.
Lets see if Eddy boy can answer this (which he won't as he does not
know-but I do): How many head injuries occurred in Canada last year in
Canada from cycling?

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck
Wahooo!! Edward the Greatest fruitboy is back.
As for statistics, you are a buffoon if you feel a measurable part of
the population will be hurt from not wearing a helmet. You are wrong.
The fraction is infinitesimal. I have met literally Tens of thousands
of people, all of whom have rode bikes WITHOUT helmets and NONE (not a
single person) has ever been hurt. I've had one or two people
(including in this newsgroup) CLAIM a helmet saved their lives but I
soon proved them wrong just I have done to you over and over and over
and over again.

You do not understand statistics. Just because you have not personally been
killed or know of anyone who has been killed does not mean squat. Back to
Statistics 101 for you!

Post by DiscoDuck
I know more poeple who have had a head injury from driving or even in
the home. But we have no helmet law. WHy? Because people like you
and proponants cannot admit you are wrong.
You are fool for supporting this law. It because of you we have such
issues at all.

You do not understand statistics. Just because you have not personally been
killed or know of anyone who has been killed does not mean squat. Back to
Statistics 101 for you!

Post by DiscoDuck
Lets see if Eddy boy can answer this (which he won't as he does not
know-but I do): How many head injuries occurred in Canada last year in
Canada from cycling?

How many head injuries did NOT occur from cyclists wearing helmets?

The main problem that DD has is that he thinks he owns this group. How else
to account for his lack of posting etiquette. He constantly top posts and
does not even include the preceding message at all. In other words, he is
just writing for himself. That means the rest of us do not have to take him
seriously. If and when he wants to be taken seriously, he will have to learn
to bottom post and include all of the post to which he is responding, if in
fact he is responding to anything at all other than his own ego.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. Why does no one else ever post to this group besides DD I wonder? ARBR
is now dead too and gone to Hell. A single criminal troll vandal destroyed
the group with malice aforethought - and I could not save it. Everyone (with
a few exceptions) on the group was too cowardly to bother to defend
themselves. I am quite disgusted with all newsgroups if truth be told. What
are newsgroups good for if they do not engender some group cohesiveness and
loyalty.

[DiscoDuck]

See, you didn't answer the question. Maybe it is because you DO know
that answer but afraid to admit you are wrong. Yes that is it, yet
again and I have proved you wrong again and will happily help you see
your errors.
Actually you are incorrect. I HAVE had a head injury while cycling
(twice). But that is not a reason to mandate helmet use by law.
I've also had scrapes on my hands and knees from such. I'm sure
you believe in mandating a suit of armor to prevent such injuries.
I know of literally thousands of people who have not suffered head
injuries from cycling. Tens of thousands. So do you Eddy boy,
including yourself. You have never suffered a head injury from cycling
(although you do suffer from delusion but that is a separate issue.

So since you are so smart, how many people in Canada? OR the US, or
your state, suffered head injuries from cycling? Driving? In the
home?
My point exactly.
Your apology is accepted Eddy boy.
DD

PS. I am basing this statement ON statistics (or which I have taken
several course-you have not, clearly) by the way and NOT basing the
opinion on my own personal experience (since I have had wipe outs where
I got a head injury). I'm basing it on published reports and common
sense-both of which you have no clue.
So again I submit the question to you, how many people in Canada? OR
the US, or your state, suffered head injuries from cycling? Driving?
In the home?

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck
See, you didn't answer the question. Maybe it is because you DO know
that answer but afraid to admit you are wrong. Yes that is it, yet
again and I have proved you wrong again and will happily help you see
your errors.

Until you post properly I find that I cannot take you seriously.

Post by DiscoDuck
Actually you are incorrect. I HAVE had a head injury while cycling
(twice). But that is not a reason to mandate helmet use by law.
I've also had scrapes on my hands and knees from such. I'm sure
you believe in mandating a suit of armor to prevent such injuries.
I know of literally thousands of people who have not suffered head
injuries from cycling. Tens of thousands. So do you Eddy boy,
including yourself. You have never suffered a head injury from cycling
(although you do suffer from delusion but that is a separate issue.
So since you are so smart, how many people in Canada? OR the US, or
your state, suffered head injuries from cycling? Driving? In the
home?
My point exactly.
Your apology is accepted Eddy boy.
DD

DD, why is it that only you seem to post to this group? Maybe instead of
going on and on about helmets, of which I am convinced you know nothing, why
not tell us something about the history of this group. Did you start it I
wonder since there are so very few posts to be found here other than yours?

Post by DiscoDuck
PS. I am basing this statement ON statistics (or which I have taken
several course-you have not, clearly) by the way and NOT basing the
opinion on my own personal experience (since I have had wipe outs where
I got a head injury). I'm basing it on published reports and common
sense-both of which you have no clue.
So again I submit the question to you, how many people in Canada? OR
the US, or your state, suffered head injuries from cycling? Driving?
In the home?

Neither statistics nor anecdotal evidence plays any role in your analysis.
You just don't want to wear a helmet and that is the sum total of your case.
My only appeal is to common sense, ever the last best refuge of mankind. You
departed from common sense long ago and you are now lost and wandering in
the wilderness of soggy old Victoria.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

[DiscoDuck]

Of course you take me seriously, which is why you keep reading and
learning from me. You are welcome.
And actually contrary I WOULD wear a helmet if the choice were mine.
Some of them look cool. But you and others with your mind set removed
that choice, so I purposely DEFY you by NOT wearing a helmet, and
proving you and the others wrong continuously. Mostly to aggreviate
controlling people such as yourself.
You are welcome.
Yet you still do not answer the question as you know it proves you
wrong-again. And so the do the statistics as per your
omission/admission.

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck
Of course you take me seriously, which is why you keep reading and
learning from me. You are welcome.

DD is the most notorious top poster I have ever had the misfortune to know.
He must think this is email.

Does it actually seem to you like I am taking you seriously. I will have to
go back to Composition 101 and work on my skills more if that is the case. I
will be the oldest student in the class.

Post by DiscoDuck
And actually contrary I WOULD wear a helmet if the choice were mine.
Some of them look cool. But you and others with your mind set removed
that choice, so I purposely DEFY you by NOT wearing a helmet, and
proving you and the others wrong continuously. Mostly to aggreviate
controlling people such as yourself.
You are welcome.

Just as I thought. You are crazy! Welcome to the club.

By the way, I am thinking of wearing a riding horse type of helmet. I like
the looks of them much better than cycling helmets which I think look dorky.
We recumbent riders can wear such helmets because we are holding our heads
upright and looking out at the scenary when we ride, not the patch of
pavement in front of the wheel like upright cyclists do.

Post by DiscoDuck
Yet you still do not answer the question as you know it proves you
wrong-again. And so the do the statistics as per your
omission/admission.

I do not understand why you do not tell us all something about this group
known as bc.cycling. It seems like a very small group with only you and I as
participants. I like to write for a broader audience than just one other
person, even if that one other person is also crazy like me.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

[DiscoDuck]

Rode today for almost 3 hours helmetless, all of which in town. Just
another day proving Edward and the rest of the proponants wrong.

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck
Rode today for almost 3 hours helmetless, all of which in town. Just
another day proving Edward and the rest of the proponants wrong.

Actually I ride about 6 months of the year without a helmet too. In the
winter time it is way too cold to ride wearing a helmet. I wear instead
heavy woolen caps than come down over my ears.

The point is though that it is always necessary to obey the laws. I value
civilization and without the laws you do not have civilization, at least not
in any advanced society. As far as I know there are very few states, if any,
requiring that cyclists wear helmets. It is common sense to do so and most
cycling tours, whether private of public, require that you wear a helmet.

My beef with DD is not that he chooses not to wear a helmet, but that he
advocates that others break the laws. That is not a respectable position to
take and he knows it.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

[DiscoDuck]

Post by Edward Dolan
My beef with DD is not that he chooses not to wear a helmet, but that he
advocates that others break the laws. That is not a respectable position to
take and he knows it.

No, just those that people do not agree with. I believe in freedom of
choice when it comes to your body, you obviously do not. I suppose you
believe abortion should be illegal too?

Breaking this law is respecting freedom and you know it. Even the
Police know it which is why most leave us alone. It's the bad cops
that abuse their power in this regards. Unfortunately it's not
possible to tell the difference between the two in advance therefore I
avoid all police as much as possible.
Interesting you apply "common sense" to helmet use (which is nonsense)
but not to the statistics (of which I have taken several courses, you
have taken none).

You also are incapable of admitting you wrong as evidence here.

Excuse me while I am off to ride helmetless and prove you wrong, again.

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck

Post by Edward Dolan
My beef with DD is not that he chooses not to wear a helmet, but that he
advocates that others break the laws. That is not a respectable position to
take and he knows it.

No, just those that people do not agree with. I believe in freedom of
choice when it comes to your body, you obviously do not. I suppose you
believe abortion should be illegal too?

All laws must be obeyed whether you agree with them or not. In a democracy
you are free to argue to change the laws and if you persuade enough people,
then it may very well come to pass through our elected representatives,
whether on a city, provincial or federal level. Nothing could be simpler or
more right.

Abortion should definitely be illegal as it is the taking of innocent human
life. The g.d. Supreme Court made that particular law out of whole cloth,
not our representatives. That is why the issue remains such an issue. The
people have not had a proper input on the question via their legislatures.

Post by DiscoDuck
Breaking this law is respecting freedom and you know it. Even the
Police know it which is why most leave us alone. It's the bad cops
that abuse their power in this regards. Unfortunately it's not
possible to tell the difference between the two in advance therefore I
avoid all police as much as possible.

What you are saying might be true in a country like Mexico, but I know it is
not true in countries like the US and Canada. A helmet law can be changed
in Canada if enough people can be convinced that it is a bad law. That is
what you should be doing - trying to convince others that it is a bad law.
You should not be breaking the law under any circumstances.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

[DiscoDuck]

Post by Edward Dolan
What you are saying might be true in a country like Mexico, but I know it is
not true in countries like the US and Canada. A helmet law can be changed
in Canada if enough people can be convinced that it is a bad law. That is
what you should be doing - trying to convince others that it is a bad law.
You should not be breaking the law under any circumstances.

Nope. What happens is idiots pursuade a small group of pathetic
controlling people to pass such laws. It's easy to do if you make it
sound good. "This law will reduce head injuries by 80%." Hogwash. It
hasn't and the powers that rbought it in won't admit they are wrong
therefore will stay on the books. The vast majority of people just
want to leave people and alone and be left alone and can't be bothered.

This and similar laws MUST be broken. It is the only way.
LAws are almost NEVER repealed producing another problem. The books
are simply expanding removing more and more choices.

I do not have the time nor patience to "fight" this law. So instead I
am made a criminal by such laws.
I've had cops chase me down with lights and sirens-this is waht our
resources are going to. LOL.

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck

Post by Edward Dolan
What you are saying might be true in a country like Mexico, but I know it is
not true in countries like the US and Canada. A helmet law can be changed
in Canada if enough people can be convinced that it is a bad law. That is
what you should be doing - trying to convince others that it is a bad law.
You should not be breaking the law under any circumstances.

Nope. What happens is idiots pursuade a small group of pathetic
controlling people to pass such laws. It's easy to do if you make it
sound good. "This law will reduce head injuries by 80%." Hogwash. It
hasn't and the powers that rbought it in won't admit they are wrong
therefore will stay on the books. The vast majority of people just
want to leave people and alone and be left alone and can't be bothered.

Yes, it is not easy to change a law once it is on the books, but that is the
challenge you face if you are serious. The law can be changed but it is hard
work.

Post by DiscoDuck
This and similar laws MUST be broken. It is the only way.
LAws are almost NEVER repealed producing another problem. The books
are simply expanding removing more and more choices.

Laws are amended every year for one reason or another. You must persuade
others that you are right and they are wrong. I don't think a single
individual has much of a chance, but that is the reason for organizations.
First you must organize a group to lobby for the change. Even I might be
persuaded if you make a strong case. You are needlessly pessimistic.

Post by DiscoDuck
I do not have the time nor patience to "fight" this law. So instead I
am made a criminal by such laws.
I've had cops chase me down with lights and sirens-this is waht our
resources are going to. LOL.

You are not up to the challenge. Too bad. Someone else will have to fight
the good fight. But if I were you I would not flaunt the law. That will not
change it and you will only get yourself in trouble.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

[DiscoDuck]

No, instead I would rather break it repeatidly and show how ridiculous
the law is, and show how police waste resources.
It's easy to pass such a stupid stupid stupid moronic, idiotic law.
Those who support it are just as stupid and moronic. Those who passed
it are even worse.
Off to break the law, again. Back later to report that I am alive and
unharmed.

[Edward Dolan]

Post by DiscoDuck
No, instead I would rather break it repeatidly and show how ridiculous
the law is, and show how police waste resources.
It's easy to pass such a stupid stupid stupid moronic, idiotic law.
Those who support it are just as stupid and moronic. Those who passed
it are even worse.
Off to break the law, again. Back later to report that I am alive and
unharmed.

There is only one extremely stupid person here and that is you. You are
running and hiding from the police so that you will not get ticketed for not
wearing a helmet. You are already half way to being a criminal. Keep on your
present course, and you will end up a full fledged criminal. I warn you - I
am not going to come to visit you when you are in prison paying your debt to
society.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

[DiscoDuck]

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by DiscoDuck
No, instead I would rather break it repeatidly and show how ridiculous
the law is, and show how police waste resources.
It's easy to pass such a stupid stupid stupid moronic, idiotic law.
Those who support it are just as stupid and moronic. Those who passed
it are even worse.
Off to break the law, again. Back later to report that I am alive and
unharmed.

There is only one extremely stupid person here and that is you. You are
running and hiding from the police so that you will not get ticketed for not
wearing a helmet. You are already half way to being a criminal. Keep on your
present course, and you will end up a full fledged criminal. I warn you - I
am not going to come to visit you when you are in prison paying your debt to
society.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

I'm not stupid-just fighting for what is right. You are the one who is
stupid as are all proponants of this law since you and them refuse to
admit you are wrong. Rather than realize this erodes the credibility
of law enforcement you claim I am a criminal. If that is the case this
law MAKES CRIMINALS!!!!
Thankfully such statements show how idiodic you and proponants of
bicycle helmet laws really are.

Yup, for riding bareheaded in a helmet mandated area really makes be a
bad egg.

[Colin B.]

Unless you fall and hit your head on the ground, your experience proves
nothing.

Post by DiscoDuck
Rode today for almost 3 hours helmetless, all of which in town. Just
another day proving Edward and the rest of the proponants wrong.

[DiscoDuck]

By only including those who have had their head hit the ground is
ridiculous. You need to include all cyclists to make proper
conclusion. That's like saying "100% of people who are hit by
lightening, are hit by lightening." It's nuts.
If you read my other posts I HAVE hit my head while cycling. I'm still
alive and unharmed despite not wearing a helmet proving you wrong.
Others while in the home and simply walking downtown get head injuries.
Yet proponents of the law are hypocritical of other more realistic
risks of head injury and do not agree with helmet laws in cars. I
guarantee you know more people with head injuries incurred while in a
car, or in the home.
Having said that, I assume you are against the choice for the
individual. Like you care, about people or perceived tax savings at
all. You SHOULD care about freedom instead. Otherwise your choice is
next.

[Colin B.]

It may not be obvious to you, but helmets are not designed to prevent
accidents, they are designed to protect the person in the event of an
collision or fall. Therefore, we can only learn something if you were to
fall or crash.

BTW, Daffy, don't assume anything by putting words in my mouth. I have
not stated on this list whether I am pro-choice for helmets or not.
Whether it is the law or not, I will continue to wear a helmet, as I do
know that they work.


Colin

Post by DiscoDuck
By only including those who have had their head hit the ground is
ridiculous. You need to include all cyclists to make proper
conclusion. That's like saying "100% of people who are hit by
lightening, are hit by lightening." It's nuts.
If you read my other posts I HAVE hit my head while cycling. I'm still
alive and unharmed despite not wearing a helmet proving you wrong.
Others while in the home and simply walking downtown get head injuries.
Yet proponents of the law are hypocritical of other more realistic
risks of head injury and do not agree with helmet laws in cars. I
guarantee you know more people with head injuries incurred while in a
car, or in the home.
Having said that, I assume you are against the choice for the
individual. Like you care, about people or perceived tax savings at
all. You SHOULD care about freedom instead. Otherwise your choice is
next.

[DiscoDuck]

Then why did you write "Unless you fall and hit your head on the
ground, your experience proves nothing."

Then why did YOU ASSUME I hadn't had my head hit the ground, Colin?
Unless you state otherwise it seems your rebuttals are clear indication
of support for the law.
You and I have been through this before. You support this removal of
choice.

Post by Colin B.
It may not be obvious to you, but helmets are not designed to prevent
accidents, they are designed to protect the person in the event of an
collision or fall. Therefore, we can only learn something if you were to
fall or crash.
BTW, Daffy, don't assume anything by putting words in my mouth. I have
not stated on this list whether I am pro-choice for helmets or not.
Whether it is the law or not, I will continue to wear a helmet, as I do
know that they work.
Colin

Post by DiscoDuck
By only including those who have had their head hit the ground is
ridiculous. You need to include all cyclists to make proper
conclusion. That's like saying "100% of people who are hit by
lightening, are hit by lightening." It's nuts.
If you read my other posts I HAVE hit my head while cycling. I'm still
alive and unharmed despite not wearing a helmet proving you wrong.
Others while in the home and simply walking downtown get head injuries.
Yet proponents of the law are hypocritical of other more realistic
risks of head injury and do not agree with helmet laws in cars. I
guarantee you know more people with head injuries incurred while in a
car, or in the home.
Having said that, I assume you are against the choice for the
individual. Like you care, about people or perceived tax savings at
all. You SHOULD care about freedom instead. Otherwise your choice is
next.